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Our last unbeaten record for this season went this week, when the Nags Head 'B' were beaten by the Poachers – whose score of 147 was a maximum, in the sense that it was the highest score of the week. Elsewhere the Dolphin recorded a comfortable victory over the Queens of the Castle, and this allowed the Poachers to move from third place to top the A League table on goal difference.
At the other end of that table, the Nags Head recorded only their second victory of the season, and their first since Week 1, to increase their advantage over the bottom two to three points.
The top six teams in the A League have all now played six games, as have all of the B League teams – all of whom play next week. The Waters Green Nags had a two–point lead last week, and they remain on top this week despite not playing. The Bate Hallers regained second place on goal difference (behind the Nags by an admittedly hefty margin) by beating the Sutton Club, while the Sutton Mutton doubled their advantage over the Pack Horse Bowling Club with a seven–point victory.
The closest game this week was at the Park Tavern, where the Taverners beat the Chester Road Tavern by just a single point (112–111).
Six of the seven games this week were won by the teams that went second in the Specialist questions, but according to the spreadsheet the questions were very well balanced (with no advantage to either side). The only team that won by starting first was the Dolphin.
No one scored over 40 this week; the joint top scorers were Alan Hodgson, Ashton Davies and Mark Watson, each with 39. In the B League, where only five of last week's top eleven played, the highest scorer was Julian Amey with 36.
There were just four personal bests – one in the A League and three in the B League. Twenty–four out of 32 players in the A League, and 13 out of 24 in the B League, failed to better their lowest scores of the season.
To cut a long story short: the Specialist questions were fine – well balanced, averagely difficult, and eighth out of 16 in the Entertainment stakes. But the General Knowledge, although equally well balanced, were clearly very difficult and proved to be the least popular set we've had so far this season. A common gripe was the number of questions where the answer was a year, or another type of number.
Paul Prior, of the Waters Green Nags, has posted on the Forum to acknowledge, as the main setter of the General Knowledge questions, that there were issues. No doubt the setters will learn from this experience and we look forward to a friendlier set of questions in Week 17, when the Nags will be setting for the second time this season (having drawn that short straw).
Note: in this section, the teams that went "first first" (first in the Specialist questions) are on the left in the tables. In the headings, the home teams are given first.
Queens of the Castle | Spec | GK | Total | Dolphin | Spec | GK | Total |
Alice Walker | 18 | 18 | 36 | Peter McBride | 21 | 15 | 36 |
Haydn Thompson | 12 | 15 | 27 | Rossi Albanese | 6 | 9 | 15 |
Caroline Massey | 3 | 6 | 9 | Alan Hodgson | 9 | 30 | 39 |
Tim Massey | 9 | 9 | 18 | John Brown | 6 | 9 | 15 |
Conferred | 11 | 15 | 26 | Conferred | 11 | 12 | 23 |
Passed over | 5 | 6 | 11 | Passed over | 5 | 12 | 17 |
Totals | 58 | 69 | 127 | Totals | 58 | 87 | 145 |
Poachers | Spec | GK | Total | Nags Head 'B' | Spec | GK | Total |
Ed Baron | 9 | 9 | 18 | Mark Shaw | 12 | 6 | 18 |
Bob Gratton | 9 | 12 | 21 | Mark Watson | 21 | 18 | 39 |
Greg Spiller | 6 | 27 | 33 | Laurence Plant | 3 | 18 | 21 |
Ashton Davies | 15 | 24 | 39 | Steve Carter | 15 | 15 | 30 |
Conferred | 15 | 12 | 27 | Conferred | 10 | 15 | 25 |
Passed over | 2 | 7 | 9 | Passed over | 2 | 4 | 6 |
Totals | 56 | 91 | 147 | Totals | 63 | 76 | 139 |
Dolphin Hammers | Spec | GK | Total | Waters Green Weavers | Spec | GK | Total |
Liz Horrocks | 15 | 12 | 27 | Alan Gilday | 12 | 12 | 24 |
Pete Sayers | 6 | 6 | 12 | Ian Grieve | 15 | 12 | 27 |
Keith Duffield | 9 | 12 | 21 | Adum Carr | 3 | 6 | 9 |
David Barber | 12 | 18 | 30 | Maddy Griffiths | 6 | 3 | 9 |
Conferred | 11 | 14 | 25 | Conferred | 14 | 17 | 31 |
Passed over | 4 | 8 | 12 | Passed over | 6 | 10 | 16 |
Totals | 57 | 70 | 127 | Totals | 56 | 60 | 116 |
Nags Head | Spec | GK | Total | Harrington Academicals | Spec | GK | Total |
Ian Tams | 9 | 12 | 21 | Dave Partington | 18 | 0 | 18 |
Tony Browne | 12 | 12 | 24 | Rob Parkin | 15 | 15 | 30 |
Neil Drummond | 9 | 15 | 24 | Alan James | 6 | 6 | 12 |
Philip Davies | 15 | 12 | 27 | Gill Baker | 6 | 3 | 9 |
Conferred | 8 | 8 | 16 | Conferred | 11 | 20 | 31 |
Passed over | 4 | 11 | 15 | Passed over | 7 | 12 | 19 |
Totals | 57 | 70 | 127 | Totals | 63 | 56 | 119 |
Note: in this section, the teams that went "first first" (first in the Specialist questions) are on the left in the tables. In the headings, the home teams are given first.
Park Taverners | Spec | GK | Total | Chester Road Tavern | Spec | GK | Total |
Shauna Barstow | 12 | 9 | 21 | Tony Moores | 12 | 6 | 18 |
Graham Wallace | 15 | 12 | 27 | Chris Moores | 3 | 3 | 6 |
Heather Wallace | 9 | 3 | 12 | Jim Moores | 6 | 18 | 24 |
Pete Dykstra | 3 | 12 | 15 | Tom Radley | 18 | 9 | 27 |
Conferred | 8 | 13 | 21 | Conferred | 13 | 12 | 25 |
Passed over | 5 | 11 | 16 | Passed over | 6 | 5 | 11 |
Totals | 52 | 60 | 112 | Totals | 58 | 53 | 111 |
Bate Hallers | Spec | GK | Total | Sutton Club | Spec | GK | Total |
Dave McGuinness | 12 | 9 | 21 | Wendy Brown | 12 | 6 | 18 |
Anne Jeater | 15 | 6 | 21 | John Green | 15 | 15 | 30 |
Julian Amey | 15 | 21 | 36 | Emma Griggs | 6 | 6 | 12 |
Pat Jeater | 9 | 9 | 18 | Chris Butler | 12 | 12 | 24 |
Conferred | 7 | 9 | 16 | Conferred | 7 | 14 | 21 |
Passed over | 7 | 10 | 17 | Passed over | 6 | 6 | 12 |
Totals | 65 | 64 | 129 | Totals | 58 | 59 | 117 |
Sutton Mutton | Spec | GK | Total | Pack Horse Bowling Club | Spec | GK | Total |
Mick Graves | 9 | 9 | 18 | Reg Bloor | 15 | 6 | 21 |
Mike Proctor | 6 | 6 | 12 | Tim Bloor | 9 | 6 | 15 |
Wynne Keith–Davies | 15 | 18 | 33 | Andrew Vickerstaff | 12 | 9 | 21 |
John Stein | 3 | 6 | 9 | Martin Williams | 3 | 9 | 12 |
Conferred | 12 | 9 | 21 | Conferred | 12 | 9 | 21 |
Passed over | 2 | 12 | 14 | Passed over | 2 | 8 | 10 |
Totals | 47 | 60 | 107 | Totals | 53 | 47 | 100 |
Note: in this section, the home teams are on the left and the away teams are on the right.
Dolphin | 145 | 127 | Queens of the Castle |
Alan Hodgson | 39 | 36 | Alice Walker |
Nags Head 'B' | 139 | 147 | Poachers |
Mark Watson | 39 | 39 | Ashton Davies |
Waters Green Weavers | 116 | 125 | Dolphin Hammers |
Ian Grieve | 27 | 30 27 21 |
Dave Barber Liz Horrocks Keith Duffield (pb) |
Harrington Academicals | 119 | 127 | Nags Head |
Rob Parkin | 30 | 27 | Phil Davies |
Played | Won | Drawn | Lost | Total | Points | |
Poachers | 6 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 1027 | 10 |
Nags Head 'B' | 6 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 994 | 10 |
Queens of the Castle | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 1056 | 8 |
Dolphin | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 989 | 8 |
Dolphin Hammers | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 913 | 8 |
Nags Head | 6 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 839 | 4 |
Harrington Academicals | 7 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 1074 | 1 |
Waters Green Weavers | 7 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 1051 | 1 |
Team | Played | Total | Highest | Lowest | Week 8 | |
Alan Hodgson | Dolphin | 6 | 291 | 53 | 39 | 39 |
Ian Grieve | Waters Green Weavers | 7 | 295 | 48 | 27 | 27 |
Alice Walker | Queens of the Castle | 6 | 273 | 60 | 36 | 36 |
Haydn Thompson | Queens of the Castle | 6 | 273 | 57 | 27 | 27 |
Dave Partington | Harrington Academicals | 7 | 249 | 45 | 17 | 18 |
Rob Parkin | Harrington Academicals | 7 | 243 | 48 | 27 | 30 |
Alan Gilday | Waters Green Weavers | 7 | 240 | 45 | 24 | 24 |
Ashton Davies | Poachers | 5 | 234 | 60 | 39 | 39 |
Peter McBride | Dolphin | 6 | 234 | 51 | 33 | 36 |
Mark Watson | Nags Head 'B' | 5 | 228 | 54 | 39 | 39 |
Note: in this section, the home teams are on the left and the away teams are on the right.
Park Taverners | 112 | 111 | Chester Road Tavern |
Graham Wallace | 27 | 27 | Tom Radley |
Bate Hallers | 129 | 117 | Sutton Club |
Julian Amey Dave McGuinness (pb) Anne JEater |
36 21 21 |
30 | John Green |
Sutton Mutton | 107 | 100 | Pack Horse Bowling Club |
Wynne Keith–Davies Mick Graves Mike Proctor John Stein (pb) |
33 18 12 9 |
21 21 |
Andrew Vickerstaff (pb) Reg Bloor |
Played | Won | Drawn | Lost | Total | Points | |
Waters Green Nags | 6 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 954 | 10 |
Bate Hallers | 6 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 766 | 10 |
Park Taverners | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 836 | 8 |
Sutton Club | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 836 | 8 |
Chester Road Tavern | 6 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 781 | 4 |
Park Timers | 6 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 753 | 4 |
Sutton Mutton | 6 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 750 | 4 |
Pack Horse Bowling Club | 6 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 631 | 0 |
Team | Played | Total | Highest | Lowest | Week 8 | |
Paul Prior | Waters Green Nags | 6 | 261 | 57 | 30 | |
Ian Musgrave | Waters Green Nags | 6 | 228 | 48 | 24 | |
Graham Wallace | Park Taverners | 6 | 198 | 39 | 27 | 27 |
Wynne Keith-Davies | Sutton Muttos | 6 | 192 | 48 | 15 | 33 |
John Poyser | Park Timers | 6 | 186 | 36 | 24 | |
Anne Jeater | Bate Hallers | 6 | 183 | 39 | 21 | 21 |
Andrew Fenton | Park Timers | 6 | 156 | 39 | 12 | |
Shauna Barstow | Park Taverners | 5 | 153 | 42 | 21 | 21 |
Wendy Brown | Sutton Club | 6 | 150 | 39 | 18 | 18 |
Tim Brewin | Park Timers | 6 | 147 | 33 | 15 |
Wk | Setters | Difficulty | Balance | Ent'ment | Total | Last Yr | ||
1 | 1 | GK | Nags Head 'B' | 10.00 | 9.41 | 7.16 | 26.57 | 21.64 |
2 | 6 | Spec | Park Taverners | 9.72 | 9.15 | 6.83 | 25.69 | 26.00 |
3 | 5 | GK | Harrington Academicals | 8.24 | 8.82 | 5.83 | 22.76 | 12.37 |
4 | 7 | GK | Nags Head | 5.53 | 8.99 | 6.25 | 20.76 | 15.55 |
5 | 2 | Spec | Sutton Club | 5.29 | 8.47 | 6.66 | 20.42 | 21.98 |
6 | 6 | GK | Park Taverners | 4.16 | 9.48 | 5.67 | 19.31 | 19.10 |
7 | 7 | Spec | Nags Head | 5.64 | 7.35 | 6.75 | 19.74 | 10.58 |
8 | 8 | Spec | Waters Green Nags | 5.07 | 8.37 | 6.16 | 19.60 | 15.55 |
9 | 4 | Spec | Dolphin Hammers | 4.40 | 8.31 | 6.17 | 18.88 | 11.27 |
10 | 3 | Spec | Queens of the Castle | 3.36 | 8.91 | 5.50 | 17.87 | 16.72 |
11 | 2 | GK | Sutton Club | 3.70 | 7.33 | 6.58 | 17.61 | 20.28 |
12 | 1 | Spec | Nags Head 'B' | 9.15 | 0.00 | 7.25 | 16.40 | 19.80 |
13 | 5 | Spec | Harrington Academicals | 5.79 | 4.79 | 5.67 | 16.25 | 23.24 |
14 | 3 | GK | Queens of the Castle | 3.04 | 5.16 | 5.75 | 13.95 | 13.47 |
15 | 4 | GK | Dolphin Hammers | 2.79 | 4.65 | 5.16 | 12.61 | 20.60 |
16 | 8 | GK | Waters Geeen Nags | 0.00 | 8.09 | 2.93 | 11.02 | 8.08 |
It was a game of two halves for the Waters Green Nags' questions. The Specialist set, according to the spreadsheet, were well balanced and of pretty much average difficulty, and they were well received in the Entertainment marks. They're in a respectable 8th place in the overall table – just making it into the top half. But all teams seem to have struggled with the General Knowledge; they appear to have been the most difficult we've had since the start of last season, and they received the lowest Entertainment mark of any set so far this season.
No team managed a better than average score in the General Knowledge; the best effort was by the Poachers who scored 92% of their average, while three teams (all in the A League) scored less than 70%.
The good news is that both sets were quite well balanced, and each team got the benefit of the easier questions in one half (in each set, the teams that went second did better) – meaning that the overall balance was just about perfect.
Several contributors to the Forum have commented on the number of questions where the answer was a year or other number. For example: the length of a badminton court. Not 50 feet, not 60 feet, and not 40 feet. 44 feet, with two feet of leeway either way. Other setters may do well to note that what may be acceptable in a fully–conferred quiz, where several people can put their heads together and come up with a consensus, should be used sparingly – if at all – in the League format, where you have to field questions on your own (initially at least).
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